Kenne Bell S/C

[tach9]

Hey All, we just completed an install of the Kenne Belle 1.7 S/C on a 2001 Mustang GT...and WOW :allhail: I am very impressed with the power output!!!! Seamless, and instant!!! Here's my take ont he installation etc. although this was done on a GT and not a Mach 1...I'd guess there wouldn't be much difference in the install except for the modding for the Shaker Scoop placement:

1.> Kenne Belle's kit is very complete. Down to wires, shrink tubing and connectors. You will not have to buy anything else for the most part. The only things extraneous we had to purchase was a 6" piece of heater hose cause the stock hose was not quite long enough, and we had to extend the stock upper radiator hose as it too was too short to reach.

2.> The kit comes complete with Boost-A-Pump, 42lb. Injectors, I/C (including circulation pump). and Kenne Belle Chip.

3.> Instructions: KB writes a novel here!!! It is well detailed although I wish that the photos were in color when it refers to the wiring, but the pixs are clear and the instructions are very good. All ya have to do is follow the step by step numbered installation guide.

4.> We haven't tuned yet, but the Mustang is a stock 2001 GT automatic, and it now rips off 1st, 2nd and 3rd shift scratches :shft The KB S/C is really quiet as well, you wouldn't even know it's there by the sound...but step on the loud pedal...and hold on...and this is with only 6 lbs. of boost!!!! It's incredible how hard it pulls :spinem: yet it's docile like a stocker untill you want to get agressive!!!

5.> Installation difficulty meter: On a scale of 1-10...10 beaing the hardest, I'd say for the backyard mechanic this install is a 4.

Hmmmm...I might have to rethink S/C's now...arghhhh..... :lmao:

[Lonestar 7]

Cool!

[MN Mach]

E - N - V - Y Pure and simple. :thumbs:

[gbranton]

I've been thinking lately about selling my convertible and using the money to buy one of those KBs. You are really making me want one worse than ever.

[tach9]

I've been thinking lately about selling my convertible and using the money to buy one of those KBs. You are really making me want one worse than ever.

G - I've worked on a few S/C kits and IMHO..the Kenne Bell, while the most expensive...AND they give no dealer discounts at all so what the general public buys em' at is what a dealer buy's em' for, is still the best kit I have seen. It has virtually everything, AND everything lines up and works like it is supposed too, not like some of the "other" centrifical type S/C kits I have worked with.

The best does cost $'s...but the best is the best for a reason :allhail:

[gbranton]

G - I've worked on a few S/C kits and IMHO..the Kenne Bell, while the most expensive...AND they give no dealer discounts at all so what the general public buys em' at is what a dealer buy's em' for, is still the best kit I have seen. It has virtually everything, AND everything lines up and works like it is supposed too, not like some of the "other" centrifical type S/C kits I have worked with.

The best does cost $'s...but the best is the best for a reason :allhail:

It's not that much more in the whole sceme of thing when you look at what it comes with and as you said, how it fits with very few mods. The Mach kit is $4799 with a chip, Boost-A-Pump and injectors, cool air kit and a 90 mm MAF, that's not bad.

There are several things I am high on, such as no oil lines to tap or leak, a stealthy sound appearance and manners, instantaneous off idle boost and LOW END TORQUE. One of my first cars was a 1973 Trans Am with a bored 455, out to 472 cubes and I want to duplicate that feel in the Mach.

I am getting all worked up just talking about it. Only one problem, I explained my plans about a 'charger for the Mach and my girlfriend (whom I've been dating two & 1/2 years) and she said "Why not buy me a ring instead?".

UH-OH.

[MN Mach]

I would be very curious to see the dyno #'s from which this Kenne Belle makes on a stock GT. I'm trying to push my brother off the fence to do it on his '03 GT Convert.

[gbranton]

I would be very curious to see the dyno #'s from which this Kenne Belle makes on a stock GT. I'm trying to push my brother off the fence to do it on his '03 GT Convert.

http://www.kennebell.net/techinfo/ford-techinfo/46gtTechTips.pdf

http://www.kennebell.net/techinfo/ford-techinfo/46gtTechTips_2200.pdf

And for us:

http://www.alternativeauto.com/misc/mach1_project_May12.html

[MN Mach]

www.kennebell.net

All the figures for the Mach 1. IT'S ABSOLUTELY INSANE!!!! :sumo:

[ImShakn]

Only one problem, I explained my plans about a 'charger for the Mach and my girlfriend (whom I've been dating two & 1/2 years) and she said "Why not buy me a ring instead?".

UH-OH.
You could buy her a small solitaire for about $500 and still be able to get the KB :hehe:

[ImShakn]

You could buy her a small solitaire for about $500 and still be able to get the KB :hehe:
BTW, my wife would have killed me if I tried that one.

[ninety2pony]

ok this may seem dumb.. but of all the stuff ive seen on these kenne bells for the mach.. im still having trouble understanding exactly whats happening with the shaker.. and how its mounted to where ever they keeping it (top of the charger or to the hood)

[gbranton]

BTW, my wife would have killed me if I tried that one.

Yeah, I'm not too sure that would fly, but it was a nice idea.

This punk doesn't feel THAT lucky.

[gfong]

A little off on this one sorry but what is the correct pronunciation for that company. Kenne: is like "clean" or "Kenny"? thanks

[Iamchris]

Cool. I don't like superchargers all that much personally, and on such a high reving motor as our, I would stick with a centrifugal... but power is power, and the more the merrier. :)

[Ricks03Mach]

I would love to have this kit. I really like the 5 psi kit. It wouldn't kill my engine since it stays in the 3500 to 6800 rpm range for 30 to 40 minutes at a time. I wonder if you can use the shaker intake into the stock airbox in that version?

[rsnider]

A friend here in Phoenix gave his Mach to KB for ten weeks so they could develop the kit using his car as the mule. He retained the shaker although it does not send air to the intake it does do a good job keeping the blower cool. So it does still have a function.

He has replaced the trans, drive shaft, clutch, diff and axles to handle the power. We will find out how it all works the end of Oct. at the Fun Ford Weekend here in Phoenix.

[CA Lightfoot]

...He has replaced the trans, drive shaft, clutch, diff and axles to handle the power. We will find out how it all works the end of Oct. at the Fun Ford Weekend here in Phoenix.
What trans & clutch did he use?

[jv7]

It wouldn't kill my engine since it stays in the 3500 to 6800 rpm range for 30 to 40 minutes at a time.
???

[Charles236]

I NEED one of these blowers, bad! I think the Mach1 is a really good car, but like every car I've ever owned, a couple hundred more horsepower would be good to have.

[04redmach1]

well seeing as how i now have a mach and a cobra i can compare blower vs. n/a. now what i like about the cobra is that the acceleration is so smooth versus the high reving cammed mach. i mean yeah the mach is much faster much the engine rev is so rough compared to my friends kb'ed 04 cobra, or my stock one. i still prefer the macj over the cobra for speed but the cobra is so much smoother on acceleration...but i still love my mach 1 :hrs: :hrs:

just my O2

[fstltlfkr]

I have thought seriously about selling my complete ATI blower setup to go to a KB 2.2L Blower, they are producing some really insane numbers on the dyno when properly tuned!
If not I am going to a F1R head unit, so MIB look out, Billy is coming at ya Live, lol!

[El Latino]

ok this may seem dumb.. but of all the stuff ive seen on these kenne bells for the mach.. im still having trouble understanding exactly whats happening with the shaker.. and how its mounted to where ever they keeping it (top of the charger or to the hood)

I've also wondered the same thing. Anyone see any pics on the net of a Mach 1 with the Kenne Bell blower on it? The the shaker remain functinal? I've seen it without the shaker and it takes away from our rides.

[04redmach1]

the mach 1 without the shaker?? what r they thinking...the shaker makes the mach....would never get rid of it no matter how much power i make

[ninety2pony]

I've also wondered the same thing. Anyone see any pics on the net of a Mach 1 with the Kenne Bell blower on it? The the shaker remain functinal? I've seen it without the shaker and it takes away from our rides.

im pretty sure the shaker stays, and i know its not being fed into an intake tube as well... im just overall curious on whether they are mounting it to the hood or the top of the blower itself.. either way it would be blowing air into the engine bay hopefully helping cooling of some sorts..

[gbranton]

im pretty sure the shaker stays, and i know its not being fed into an intake tube as well... im just overall curious on whether they are mounting it to the hood or the top of the blower itself.. either way it would be blowing air into the engine bay hopefully helping cooling of some sorts..


http://www.alternativeauto.com/misc/mach1_project_Dec1.html

[ninety2pony]

ok so obviously it mounts to the top of the blower itself.. dont see any mounting points though in the pic without the shaker. i could be blind though i have missed more obvious things.. so if we order this blower from kenne bell does the 99/01 cobra kits also come with shaker mounting because according to the kenne bell site its the same one.. and doesnt really go into anything about setting it up on the mach.. just on the older cobras.. once again.. i could just be missing it

[fstltlfkr]

There is a photo of a Mach 1 with the Kenne Bell setup in the July 05 edition of MM&FF, they had to modify some brackets for the shaker to mount, but for the most part it is on the car, over top of the blower and it is functional!
Does that help out with the question!!!

[fstltlfkr]

Also there is a complete article about how they installed it and everything, check it out if ya get the chance, the article is called "STOCK" mach Goes 10s

[ninety2pony]

thanks fstltlfkr... ill take a dive into my library of mmff and see if i can find it.. i suppose most of my concern is not so much the functionality of it.. but more is kenne bell supplying the necessary hardware to mount the shaker.. ie. brackets and such.. but now that ive got another avenue to search ill do a little more research.

[tach9]

I have thought seriously about selling my complete ATI blower setup to go to a KB 2.2L Blower, they are producing some really insane numbers on the dyno when properly tuned!
If not I am going to a F1R head unit, so MIB look out, Billy is coming at ya Live, lol!


Bill..Sh*t Can the ProCharger...and go with a KB 2.4 custom set up...less headache than the ProCharger, tuning is easier, and installation a snap!!!

We put one on a 03 Cobra that had a CAT Back and X pipe...out of the box = 525 RWHP and 530 RWT!!!! Imagine it with a pulley change :hehe:

[fstltlfkr]

Tach, currently have a lot of cash invested in the Pro-Charger blower. I am seriously thinking about upgrading to an F1 series today! I know those bad puppies are good to 1200hp, lol!

[badappl]

Tach,
So with the 5lbs of boost, no worries about the internals?
Thanks

[tach9]

Tach,
So with the 5lbs of boost, no worries about the internals?
Thanks

Internals? Nah...there is always a slight risk, but the most important thing is not "so much the boost," but the tune...and Kenne Bell's chip is fairly good. I wouldn't worry aboutthe internals too much at 5lbs of boost.

5lbs of boost does work well. It's not going to produce 500 RWHP...but close to 375-380...Eventually you'd want to build the internals to handle the boosted application...forged pistons and rods...then a simple pulley change will net you amazing amounts of HP/T!!!!

[tach9]

Tach, currently have a lot of cash invested in the Pro-Charger blower. I am seriously thinking about upgrading to an F1 series today! I know those bad puppies are good to 1200hp, lol!

I hear ya Bill...but how are ya gonna put 1200 ponies to the ground :spinem: LOL..!!!! IMHO...using a Kenne Bell 2.2 S/C making 12-14lbs boost would net me 550-600+ RWHP, cost (in parts) $6K or so AND if I could put that RWHP to the ground...Look out :shft ...LOL..!!!

[badappl]

I can live with 375-380 (until I get used to it,lol)
Thanks Tach

[fstltlfkr]

Tach, ordered the F1 today, so will be having a P1SC-2 "head unit only" with 3.4 " pulley (unit came with 3.9" pulley) for sale here in the near future, this head unit with new pulley will produce 14 lbs of boost, so if ya know anyone who is interested send em my way!

Oh, when I put my ponies to the ground she is gonna be bad, bad, bad! I also ordered the complete front suspension kit with Chrome Moly K-Member.

[COCrush]

Better pics of the install from qtrpony:

http://www.modularfords.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26048

http://www.modularfords.com/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/503

Tach,
Did you install the cooler with the install you did. I have been debating this kit for a bit. The price difference of intercooled/non intercooled is like $2k.

Also, is the coffee can looking cylindrical thing an oil separator??

[tach9]

Better pics of the install from qtrpony:

http://www.modularfords.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26048

http://www.modularfords.com/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/503

Tach,
Did you install the cooler with the install you did. I have been debating this kit for a bit. The price difference of intercooled/non intercooled is like $2k.

Also, is the coffee can looking cylindrical thing an oil separator??

CO...Yes we installed the kit with the I/C. We are in the greater Sacramento, CA area and the temps here in the summer are 100+ degrees, so the I/C IMHO was manditory...the cylindrical thing uin the photo is the I/C reservoir and associated pump...

[El Latino]

CO...Yes we installed the kit with the I/C. We are in the greater Sacramento, CA area and the temps here in the summer are 100+ degrees, so the I/C IMHO was manditory...the cylindrical thing uin the photo is the I/C reservoir and associated pump...

So is it the reservoir that does not permit for the scoop to be connected to the intake? I heard it can be done, but, on rainy days, it would suck the rain into through the air filter and possibly into the motor.

[fstltlfkr]

Hell Tach, here we go again, you were all so correct! Just when I thought I might be somewhere close to being done with the project build I hit another wall, The Motor!
So it is told by many, with the F1 Blower set-up I must change the fuel system, the onboard electronis are basically thrown away, super arse huge injector 82/85lbers, a Gen 7 DFI system, and of course now we are looking at a Motor/Tranny Combo that can handle all of this HP/TQ.
But as stated I have so much money invested prior to the F1 , I figure what the heck, go for it!

Anybody know of a good proffesional driving school here on the east coast? The ponies I will be producing warrant it, so I don't put the NASTIE1 in the guard rail first time out, lol! :beer:

[Mach 1 Mania]

I hate that I dont have 6k for this kit :( :( :(

I am happy with my power levels but I HATE Filling the bottle!

[tach9]

Hell Tach, here we go again, you were all so correct! Just when I thought I might be somewhere close to being done with the project build I hit another wall, The Motor!
So it is told by many, with the F1 Blower set-up I must change the fuel system, the onboard electronis are basically thrown away, super arse huge injector 82/85lbers, a Gen 7 DFI system, and of course now we are looking at a Motor/Tranny Combo that can handle all of this HP/TQ.
But as stated I have so much money invested prior to the F1 , I figure what the heck, go for it!

Anybody know of a good proffesional driving school here on the east coast? The ponies I will be producing warrant it, so I don't put the NASTIE1 in the guard rail first time out, lol! :beer:

Hey Bill...I am sure there is a "Racer" or someone else out in your area that can use your current F-1 set up as a back up :hehe: If your intention is for a race vehicle only then the path you are on will take you there, although you are discovering it aint that simple of a task :( It costs big bucks and the F-1 setup is not what I'd call a streetable combination...for many reasons...but much of those reasons are it's totally custom built, lack of streetability, fuel mileage and reliability. It's not a combination that you can drive across the country with...let alone in some cases across town :lmao: but perhaps a 1/4 mile at a time it's prolly a rocket!!!

[Mach 1 Mania]

Im starting a KB fund right now :hehe:
Then will get Built shortblock and add spray :grrr:

[1WICKEDmach]

Ive been in cars with both types of blowers and i think that the procharger setup is better for the street because the KB makes so much low end torque it is near impossible to grab tracton. I was in 98 cobra with the KB a few years ago and it was impossible to plant. The guy had a full griggs torque arm and panhard setup in the car and with 450hp and simular torque at the tire it couldnt grab traction under 50mph. My buddies that have the centrifugal blowers have a much more streetable setup that still kicks serous ass at the track. Personally if I was going to spend that much on a setup and didnt have to deal with smog i would probably go turbo.

[ninety2pony]

kinda related i guess.... local guy here has an 02 gt with a kenne bell attached.. ran 11.5 last week. i think it was his first time running it since the install.. ripped his torque box's.. i wish i knew more specifics for you guys but it was pretty damn quick

[tach9]

kinda related i guess.... local guy here has an 02 gt with a kenne bell attached.. ran 11.5 last week. i think it was his first time running it since the install.. ripped his torque box's.. i wish i knew more specifics for you guys but it was pretty damn quick

ninety...the KB isn't responsible for the torque boxes tearing. I do not have a KB on my Mach and I do not Drag Race and my boxes are torn. Every late model Mustang we have seen come into the shop has had their torque boxes torn. IMHO, it's a combination of bad design and poor welding.

[tach9]

There has been some mention of the "Too" much power/torque of the KB S/C. I kinda find this a bit amusing... the power from the KB is instant, it is constant, and yes...powerful....but that is why the folks want a S/C isn't it? :thud: One must learn to control their traction device (meaning their right foot) and learn how to launch with the KB S/C. rear end gearing plays a big part of the performance picture as well. Running 4:10 + gears may not be the best move for seriously planting the power. backing off to 3:27, 3:55 or 3:73 depending on what suspension mods you may have would be a better choice. With a S/C you do not need the torque multiplication that you get from higher numerical rear end gears...the torque with a KB is instant... when "you" want it to be...

[ninety2pony]

so whats a good fix for the box's just welding to beef them up or something like what battle box's make? ... on another note.. the previous post wasnt intended to imply that the kenne bell broke his box's just that the kenne bell on the gt is pretty damn impressive and that the torn boxes just happened to be a coincidence in the run.

[ninety2pony]

ugh. you beat me to the next post... which means now more questions.. this is the first ive heard of rear end set up in coordination with suspension upgrades.. forgive me if im retarded but what kind of suspension upgrades rectify certain gearing?

[tach9]

so whats a good fix for the box's just welding to beef them up or something like what battle box's make? ... on another note.. the previous post wasnt intended to imply that the kenne bell broke his box's just that the kenne bell on the gt is pretty damn impressive and that the torn boxes just happened to be a coincidence in the run.

You can just weld the seams of the boxes over, or yo can install Battle type Boxes...IMHO...it depends on what the ultimate goal is. If you are seriously Drag Racing I'd go withteh Battle box route...basic streeting, a good weld over the seams.

No worries ninety I just wanted to clarify your good post. GT's are very impressive with a KB set up...

[ninety2pony]

oh and just for the referance to the other power adders.. the kenne bell gt beat a turbo'd 96 cobra.. given only by a tenth, but it does take a tad of wind out of the old all and mighty talk of turbos lately

[tach9]

ugh. you beat me to the next post... which means now more questions.. this is the first ive heard of rear end set up in coordination with suspension upgrades.. forgive me if im retarded but what kind of suspension upgrades rectify certain gearing?

I am personally a big fan of suspension mods to better performance. Being able to put our stock RWHP/T to the ground would make our cars "feel" like it has 400 HP!!! With applications of F/I, depending on what your "goals" are...street/strip etc. will dictate a certain gear ratio that optimizes both the engine performance and the suspensions ability to convert the engine performance to the ground.

Good suspension additions would be LCA, Full Length Sub Frame Connectors, springs (rates depend on your goal's application), welding the torque boxes (Battle Boxes for the serious racers), torque arm, a rear coil over set up and also a rear adjustable shocks for Drag Racing type applications would be a nice addition as well....IMHO

Oh and don't forget no matter what your "goal" is...light wheels and appropriate performance tires are a must....

[COCrush]

A further explanation as to how to weld your torque boxes:

http://www.modulardepot.com/?show=articlesdet&aid=14

[1WICKEDmach]

There has been some mention of the "Too" much power/torque of the KB S/C. I kinda find this a bit amusing... the power from the KB is instant, it is constant, and yes...powerful....but that is why the folks want a S/C isn't it? :thud: One must learn to control their traction device (meaning their right foot) and learn how to launch with the KB S/C. rear end gearing plays a big part of the performance picture as well. Running 4:10 + gears may not be the best move for seriously planting the power. backing off to 3:27, 3:55 or 3:73 depending on what suspension mods you may have would be a better choice. With a S/C you do not need the torque multiplication that you get from higher numerical rear end gears...the torque with a KB is instant... when "you" want it to be...

Aaron, the KB car that i was in had a full Griggs GR40 torque arm suspension and 315 nitto drag radials. It was still impossible to grab traction. On slicks it ran mid 11s and on the nittos low 12s. Either way it was a fast car, im just not a fan of that instant torque especially when its over 450ftlbs

[tach9]

Aaron, the KB car that i was in had a full Griggs GR40 torque arm suspension and 315 nitto drag radials. It was still impossible to grab traction. On slicks it ran mid 11s and on the nittos low 12s. Either way it was a fast car, im just not a fan of that instant torque especially when its over 450ftlbs

Yikes Chris...that car musta been a monster!!!

[DTMach1]

I know a few people with 2.2 and 1.7 KB kits on their cobras, they all recommend 3.90s or even as low as 4.10s depending on what kinda of acceleration you're looking for!

[jv7]

Yes but remember 1st gear in a 6spd Cobra is 2.67(I believe) vs. 3.37 for the Mach, and I know 2nd gear is much lower than the Mach as well, so I would recomend staying with the 3.55's and see how they feel before swithcing gears. I also used to own a 97' Cobra with a kb pushing 9lbs of boost and sold it to buy my Mach1, which now has a Procharger 6lbs of boost and I much rather prefer the Procharger over the kb. The Procharger, through my automatic tranny, puts down more rwhp at 6lbs than the kb did at 9lbs.

[1WICKEDmach]

Yikes Chris...that car musta been a monster!!!

It was until the owner put it into the center devider on highway 880 two years ago. Its a shame because it was one of the cleanest 98 cobras ive ever seen.

[fstltlfkr]

When I get done, I will have a serious monster, but of course running an F1R Procharger, there has to be a lot of changing, ie....new fuel system, larger injectors(65 lb or higher), FAST System, rear coil system(650lb spring rate) 10 way adjustable shocks with welded axle tubes battle boxes and shock tower brace, Chromoly K-Member with coil overs(250lb spring rate) for the front with sharky caster cambers and strange 10 way adjustable struts, I am still undecided on the motor. I am thinking about going with an aluminum 4.6L Billet Block forged to the teeth.
When I am complete with the build I will post photos! This build is going to last me probally until spring time of 06.

Of course that is just minimally what is happening, I have about $9000.00 worth of parts in boxes in my spare bedroom all waiting for install on the Mach.

Now I said all of that just to say, if you go with a KB system, you would not have to spend near the money that I am spending to get this car built!

Tach, appreciate all the info you have PM'd to me, I have actually used some of your ideas while planning this build!!!! :beer:

Marnie and Nitemare also thanks for a few ideas! :beer:

I as of now plan on stopping at around 700-750 RWHP, way below the capability of the F1R, but way above my driving capability, once I get used to that power I will bump it up a little at a time!