Polished Intake Manifold

[tach9]

hey All, thanks to a real kewl ORG member, I received a Polishjed Intake Manifold!!! After opening up the package, here are some of my initial thoughts...

I can see how he does the polishing. He basically cuts the stock manifold in half at the lower portion. The top (most visible inside portion underneath the upper intake housing) is easily polished as the upper intake is not included and you use your old one. The polishing is ok...it isn't finely polished like you'd have using an Extrude Hone process. Extrude Honing obviously is the best way to maximize internal polishing to smooth out intake internal transitions and promote higher flow capability. The other thing that I noticed upon inspection are the runner are NOT polished at all. Taking a flash light and peering down the intake runner from the bottom of the manifild towards the top, you can distinctly see where the runner are not polished at all. It appears that the manifold had been polished with an emery type cloth, and the initial 1" of the intake runners are polished in this manner, the rest of the runners lengths are not. Instructions are hand writen but inclusive and complete. There are also very good technical manual copies included as well as two small bolts to secure the upper intake onto this polished unit. There is also a small note included witheh comprehensive instructions indicating that using the PHP intake spacer will provide the best performance results.

This is my first observation....looking at what the unit is ...and I have to say I am a bit hesitant to take my old manifold off and replace it with this unit. I expected a more thourough polishing job, and I am disappointed in the runners not being polished at all. I have to inspect it further and se3e what else is in store.....mean while...here's some pixs. Take a look at he ports and runners....

[C.W.]

looks like cast alum. with some dremel work?
c-dub

[bayrunner]

Things that make you go hmmm! Also, $400 down the tubes.

[tach9]

looks like cast alum. with some dremel work?
c-dub
CW...it looks almost like they put a emery cloth on a finger and polished away :lmao: IMHO...because the "entire" manifold is not polished, I expect some flow impedence...but then for the cost, maybe this manifold is worth uit considering a "real" fully polished unit iare being sold by PHP for $1200.00...this unit sells for $375.00

[wurd2]

I am not very knowledgeable in this area, but is it possible that the reason the polish job is incomplete is so that the gasoline atomizes (whatever the heck that means)?

The reason I ask this is because I was talking to my dad about ported or polished intake manifolds and he told that back in the old days when guys started experimenting with that stuff they had major problems because the gasoline failed to atomize. He said they would take some tool and create small nicks and dents in the polish job to fix the problem.

[Lonestar 7]

All I can say is it needs to be tested against a intake by Pauls that way you would know if it was worth 375 or pay paul the 1200 for his. People who have used the cheaper unit seem happy but like Tach I would like to see this tested.

Wurd also makes a valid point and like the guy in India that did some head work that yeilded some interesting Hp and performance numbers the fuel must have someting to break it up.

Also if you know a good engine shop they could do a flow bench on the intake and let you know what its doing. I do wish the aftermarket would make a improved manifold for our cars but with such low numbers that doubtful.

Mach on!

[1WICKEDmach]

CW...it looks almost like they put a emery cloth on a finger and polished away :lmao: IMHO...because the "entire" manifold is not polished, I expect some flow impedence...but then for the cost, maybe this manifold is worth uit considering a "real" fully polished unit iare being sold by PHP for $1200.00...this unit sells for $375.00

Aaron if you want the port/polish job to be finished let me know. I have a freind in the porting business.

[tstik]

Tach, the restrictions in our intakes is the inlets to the bottom which you can see in the first and second pics. These areas are the main concern and look to to be well taken care of. The runners can now get full flow because of the inlets being knocked down and smoothed and with the php spacer there is now access to a greater volume of air in which to flow. I would stick it on and try it because I can gaurantee it will be much better than the stocker.

[manny1234]

I'm staying with my stock one for now.

[ImShakn]

Does this look like a job that can simply be done by someone with basic skills and basic tools (dremel and emerey cloth), or should it be left to a professional?

I've been debating on taking my intake to a guy locally and having it ported and polished. He is popular with the bowtie crowd, but he is willing to look work on my intake. If it is something that I can get good gains by doing it myself, I'm willing to spend some time on it. I'm going to be putting my baby away for a few months anyway, so there will be time to work on it (whether doing it myself or having it done).

[Hawk]

I am not very knowledgeable in this area, but is it possible that the reason the polish job is incomplete is so that the gasoline atomizes (whatever the heck that means)?

The reason I ask this is because I was talking to my dad about ported or polished intake manifolds and he told that back in the old days when guys started experimenting with that stuff they had major problems because the gasoline failed to atomize. He said they would take some tool and create small nicks and dents in the polish job to fix the problem.


Dad's was a whole different ballgame - the carb sat on top of the intake, so the intake was full of mixture. In our cars, there is no fuel in the intake, it is injected into the port. So atomization is done by the injector nozzle. the smoother the flow into the port, the better things should be.

[tach9]

I had a conversation with the ORG member who so kindly sent me his manifold for M1R review. It seems the MFG of the manifold mods says that the manifold is Extrude Honed...I can definately tell you that this is not the case. The owner was also circumspect. Some of you mentioned a problem with fuel atomization etc. I understand the theory here, but just take a look where the injectors are located..the polishing is for the air flow...yes the port area is polished etc. So we'll see how it all works out. It is interesting though, when the note attached by the MFG modder says to use a PHP Spacer with the the manifold for better results...we'll see...

Now can anyone do this mod? Yup...it's pretty easy thing. If you look at the manifold, you can see where it had been cut in half so the modder could get access to the lower region and some of the upper tubes. Then the manifold has been epoxied back togetther. I applaud the modders initiative...because all he has to compare it to is the PHP manifold at $1200.00 when he's selling his version for $375.00 seems like a pretty good deal. I'd like to run the PHP and this one side by side to see the differences. If I were MFGing this manifold mod....I'd have a flow bench to measure the before polishing vs. after polishing CFM numbers. That would give you a good indication of the performance potential in terms of flow. I'm pretty sure that PHP does this...as he's a pretty big player out there...a small guy may not have the means to get a flow bench....We'll see hopw it all turns out...this is what's so kewl about testing stuff...the real world testing like Joe Everyday would experience...so here we go...

[wurd2]

Dad's was a whole different ballgame - the carb sat on top of the intake, so the intake was full of mixture. In our cars, there is no fuel in the intake, it is injected into the port. So atomization is done by the injector nozzle. the smoother the flow into the port, the better things should be.

Ooops, I guess I missed the importance of that part of the conversation. Good point Hawk.

I can't wait to read the results of this test.

[tach9]

Dad's was a whole different ballgame - the carb sat on top of the intake, so the intake was full of mixture. In our cars, there is no fuel in the intake, it is injected into the port. So atomization is done by the injector nozzle. the smoother the flow into the port, the better things should be.

Thanks Hawk :D it's why I said "look where the injectors are located"....Fuel Injection likes smooth things....for flow...

[Hawk]

Then the manifold has been epoxied back togetther.

No f'ing way would I rely on that! If the epoxy cracks or unseals, particularly in a big energy situation (i.e. "Spirited Exercises") - LEAN mixture, then "rattle rattle Bang".

Any air coming in after the MAF is not measured, and so the engine will be supplying less fuel than needed for that extra air.

Sure it may hold together a while, but are you certain the epoxy has the same coefficient of thermal expansion as the aluminum plenum? If it doesn't, then is the adhesive modulus of the epoxy-to aluminum bond, coupled with the elastic properties of the epoxy itself sufficiently strong to maintain the bond and the seal over time? And are you certain enough of the epoxy's environmental resistance particularly to heat, fuel vapor and ozone to rely on its long term stability attached to the engine? Finally, did you mix the adhesive in the exact proportions to guarantee your material properties are as specified?

I only go on like this to short out the inevitable responses of the form "Well mfrs use epoxy for all kinds of bonding and it lasts as long as other methods of fabrication." They also have materials and chemical engineers who know exactly which properties a given resin has, and it is mixed with hardener in a production (controlled ratio) environment.

If you are going to the trouble to do this, get the intake TIG welded back together by an experienced aluminum welder. Yeah, it costs more, but not as much as a new engine. My $0.02...

[tstik]

Sean Hyland motorsports uses epoxies as block fillers to add to the strength of blocks in weak areas. There are epoxies the have the same characteristics as aluminum because they are ipmregnated with aluminum. Some Ferarri's are epoxy bonded together like the Enzo and the F-50. And this is the body structure. Some epoxies are used in extreme pressure environment like metal forming where they are used as "punch and dies". The only thing I would be worried about is in a boosted situation.

[Hawk]

General Dynamics uses epoxies to build fighter jets, too. But again they don't rely on off the shelf epoxies mixed in somebody's garage on an old piece of cardboard with a putty knife. Nor I suspect do any of your examples. :)

I ain't gonna use an epoxied-together manifold on my car, but I will fight for your right to do so on yours :hehe:

[Lonestar 7]

Your right Hawk and if that puppy leaks you could have a fire too. Sounds like Pauls is the way to go since 1200 versa's a 5800 engine is cheaper of the 2.

[wurd2]

No f'ing way would I rely on that! If the epoxy cracks or unseals, particularly in a big energy situation (i.e. "Spirited Exercises") - LEAN mixture, then "rattle rattle Bang".

Any air coming in after the MAF is not measured, and so the engine will be supplying less fuel than needed for that extra air.

Sure it may hold together a while, but are you certain the epoxy has the same coefficient of thermal expansion as the aluminum plenum? If it doesn't, then is the adhesive modulus of the epoxy-to aluminum bond, coupled with the elastic properties of the epoxy itself sufficiently strong to maintain the bond and the seal over time? And are you certain enough of the epoxy's environmental resistance particularly to heat, fuel vapor and ozone to rely on its long term stability attached to the engine? Finally, did you mix the adhesive in the exact proportions to guarantee your material properties are as specified?

I only go on like this to short out the inevitable responses of the form "Well mfrs use epoxy for all kinds of bonding and it lasts as long as other methods of fabrication." They also have materials and chemical engineers who know exactly which properties a given resin has, and it is mixed with hardener in a production (controlled ratio) environment.

If you are going to the trouble to do this, get the intake TIG welded back together by an experienced aluminum welder. Yeah, it costs more, but not as much as a new engine. My $0.02...

Hawk, can you stop sounding so much more intelligent than I do?

You have provided some excellent information here. I forfeit on this mod, even if it gains tach9 eleventy more ponies.

[tstik]

Your right they rely on 3m. Just in case you didnt know I have no vested interest in this. I have worked in the manufacturing field for many years and have learned how many many things are produced and produced many things myself. The "average" person thinks that everything is rocket science. Or that the "Factory" knows everything when most of the time this is furthest from the truth. The engineers that work at any automaker are just "ole boys" too. Not gods or all knowing if this was the case we would never have the "tick" or our fine trannies or the mustang 2 or the even worse the pontiac aztec or the recall machine that is the focus.

Not arguing just saying dont make "the factory" whatever factory it may be the end all be all of knowledge. Its racers that drive the racing world not "the factory" and the best perfoming cars are not stock they are modified by folks like us that see an opening for improvement.

[Hawk]

Hawk, can you stop sounding so much more intelligent than I do?


Apparently not...

:lmao:

j/k

And tstik - I ain't putting down the guy in his garage or racers or anybody. There are always different ways to do things. Obviously some ways are better than others. I use epoxies and composites myself, but usually only when it is the best or only way to fix or build something, or if it is not critical to my safety, or if no big expensive things (engines) might break. Why? 'Cause I am not a chemical or materials specialist. I am comfortable fixing a tailight housing, etc.

I just don't think sticking the halves of your intake together fits in that. Especially since there is a guy in every town who is good with a TIG torch and wants $50 for a half hour of sparkin'. And in my humble opinion, welding is the best way to fix an aluminum intake, and it is what I would insist on.

[tstik]

I think as long as the surfaces are prepped appropriately it would be more than planty strong ander any N/A conditions. Would welding be better? It depends on the epoxy used and the welder. I have seen some epoxy joints be stonger than the base metal. For boosted situations I would want it welded. But the price would reflect that also and we always want somethin for nuthin.

I applaud people who try to do things for themselves because the more eyes you get on a problem the more solutions you get. Are all the solutions the best ...no but sometimes the Russian philosophy is best "Perfection is the enemy of good enough". If it works well and holds up on engine blocks and such the only difference is in how it looks and how you feel about it. Now if was a boosted application or a show car things may be different. Sometimes perfection is necessary and sometimes it is not but it is wanted not needed. Thanks for the good convo Hawk

[DTMach1]

having worked on fighter jets for over the past 5 years, I can say this, the stuff we use (epoxies, resins, adhesives, etc.), if used properly is just as good as welding. In fact it saves time.

However, don't you think if it was just as fast to weld something, rather than use an epoxy, we'd do that? So why not spend the extra 50 bucks or so, find a good welder (obviously aluminum is NOT easy to weld) and get it done in safe manner, albeit a little longer.

I know I'm using "dumb man's" logic here, but I feel it applies in this scenario.

[C.W.]

not getting the whole cut in half thing. won't you end up with some major rough spots were the two halfs meet?
c.w.

[tstik]

No dumb mans logic. Given the choice I would preferr it being welded. But it would have to be pressure checked afterwards. Im sure it could happen if somebody wanted to pay for it.

CW. What is being cut is like a lower plenum. If cut straight and smoothed it would be no big deal.

[TopEndMACH]

Kinda o/s but when 4 wheelin one day out in the middle of nowhere my buddies landcruzer(350 chv motor)got a bad miss and started runnin realy ---ty.We were out in the middle of nowhere and the thing was still runnin so we made the two hr trek back to camp.All of us master mechnics determined it was a head gasket.We pulled the head off only to find a qtr in. gap burned between the two cyl where the gasket let go.Not going to let this ruin our weekend of wheelin,we did as any backwoods mechanic and filled the gap with JB WELD(a form of 2part Epoxy)and let dry overnite.The next morning we filed it up with a chainsaw file(I did say backwoods didnt I),bolted the head on and road the rest of the weekend.That was 13 years ago and the 10.5comp. chivy is still runnin perfect.He pulled the heads off a few years ago and the repair looked just as the day we did it so he bolted his new heads on and is still drivin it today! JB WELD :thumbs:

[Hawk]

jb weld is one of my favorite "tools". That story is quite a testament to its durability. Still, I have had it fail me. It doesn't work that great on plastic, as I found out on a pair of GM headlight motor drives I used it on.

[bayrunner]

WOW!!!! Not just good mechanical skills, inovation, but also LUCK. 1. in the sence that you did in fact have the JB Weld available to you, 2. the metal accepted it and performed a permanent bond, 3. you are a hell of a chain saw filling guru, 4. WE have you here on the forum with us!!!!

Good job Top End...Happy Holidays.

[tach9]

not getting the whole cut in half thing. won't you end up with some major rough spots were the two halfs meet?
c.w.

CW...as I look into the ports where the manifold has been cut...yes there is some slight overlap...not good for flow...

[Mach1Marauder]

Well guys.
I've had this manifold on for several months with no problems. I took his work a little further with exact port matching.............Ford actually did a good job on this..........and removed a little MORE material from the upper runners. I'm sure I lost a little bottom end and later added a BBK twin 62 and maybe lost a bit more.........but on the top end it REALLY comes on!
Kooks LTs and off-road X are going on to better take advantage of the additional flow and being tuned next month at the Team Ford dynoday.

[Orange Blast]

Hello to all. My name is Jimmy D. and I am the guy who did the port work.
I'd like to clear up alot of the debate over my workmanship of the intakes I sell.
I am a Tool and Die maker for a major Car Mfg. Co. Mustangs have been my way of life since the induction of the 1982 Mustang GT. My first Stang.
Some of the others I've owned are a 85 GT, 86 SVO,87GT,93 LX Coupe,96 Cobra Kenne Bell powered and Now my 04 Mach. I have always modded my stangs as I feel the Mustang is a starter kit to build on!

The first intake I did was my own. I ran it on my car and wow what an improvement. While I do not have any dyno numbers or ET's to back up any solid evidence of this improvement. I can tell you from my years of Drag racing that this mod works!

Ford dropped the 2000 Cobra because of vendor problems related to the horsepower controversy. Flashed exhaust and intakes were the two big kickers. Ford had at first Extrude Honed some of the very 1st Intakes called back. But after awhile they began to manufacter new ones. The only difference was a milling program being ran on the intake runner openings. Both top and bottom of the lower. That is one of the reasons why they have freeze plugs on the bottom. To access those underneath with that milling program.
The milling program only cleans up the bare minimum of the casting flash. That is where I come in with my work by completely removing those obstructions. I also remove the fuel rail bosses that block 4 of the top side feeder runners. Then fill them and supply shorter screws.

Mis understandings:

#1) I advertise a hand port and polished intake. The bottom is cut and removed as to access the runners through out. All sharp edges are de-burred or removed. (Inside and out.)The intake is expoxyed back together to save on cost and to prevent warping the intake as well. In no way have I ever said I was selling a equal comparable to an Extrude Hone finish. That is totally false.

#2) The injectors stick out pass the openings you see in the pictures! They are flush with the side walls of the runners. No need to mess with the moon shaped radius you see.

#3) I am a very good Tig welder! However, the aluminum that is used to make the intakes is not virgin. They are made from recyled aluminum. Very difficult to weld and not burn through! You take your chances with the weld too! Because weld cracks! Weld weakens the material to if there is to much heat applied.

#4) I have always ported my intakes from the days of carburators with a satin finish. This does promote proper atomization of the fuel. Exhaust ports get mirror finishes. Very simular to a head porting job.
Apten is a big player in Eaton S.C. porting. Take a look at there work. Its almost identical to mine!

#5) The epoxy that I use is almost identical to what Ford used on the 96-98 Cobra intakes. Yes, they epoxyed the intake runners in place on those too. Over 20,000 Cobra's.

#6) You cannot use a Dremel. It would take way to long. Look at the pics at the bottom of the post. I use a Die Grinder with a carbide burr and spend 40 hours on each intake. Sometimes more.

#7) My intial cost of those intakes is a 1/3 of my asking price. The hours I spend in the end does not even begin to recoupe my investment in them.
I enjoy what I do and wanted to make a little side cash helping those who cannot afford $850.00 to $1,200. Both Sean Hyland and PHP sells there own.

#8) You get what you paid for. But in this instance you get a bargain IMHO !

[manny1234]

Kewl Orange Blast, thanks for the info and back ground.

Note toTach 9: This item definetly requires (and deserves) an M1R review.

[C.W.]

Kewl Orange Blast, thanks for the info and back ground.

Note toTach 9: This item definetly requires (and deserves) an M1R review.

i agree
c-dub

[Mach1Marauder]

Kewl Orange Blast, thanks for the info and back ground.

Note toTach 9: This item definetly requires (and deserves) an M1R review.


Fully agree! :beer:

Psssst Jim.........it's 4 fuel rail bumps. :D

[Orange Blast]

Fully agree! :beer:

Psssst Jim.........it's 4 fuel rail bumps. :D


Your correct....I only have to fill 3 of the bolt holes that break through.
Thanks Bill!

[tach9]

Kewl Orange Blast, thanks for the info and back ground.

Note toTach 9: This item definetly requires (and deserves) an M1R review.

Yup...OK..after hearing from the MFG himself...M1R will put it through it's paces.... :D

[blueautomach]

Here is what my intake looked like while I was installing it in my driveway. IMO Jim does pretty good work.

[eric76mi]

CW...it looks almost like they put a emery cloth on a finger and polished away :lmao: IMHO...because the "entire" manifold is not polished, I expect some flow impedence...but then for the cost, maybe this manifold is worth uit considering a "real" fully polished unit iare being sold by PHP for $1200.00...this unit sells for $375.00

I was thinking about buying the intake from Pauls considering he ives 45 miles away from me

[Orange Blast]

TACH9......Any progress to date on who the players will be and when the evaluation will be done? :eg:

[tach9]

TACH9......Any progress to date on who the players will be and when the evaluation will be done? :eg:

Not yet...the Dyno arrives Monday...so hang in there...

[MM]

tach you just can't win can you :lmao: i would just stop annoucing projects till there achieved. seems like it would save you alot of hassle. by the way what dyno did you go with?

[tach9]

tach you just can't win can you :lmao: i would just stop annoucing projects till there achieved. seems like it would save you alot of hassle. by the way what dyno did you go with?

Music..if only business and life were that simple...all I can say is if you've ever jumped into a pan from the fire...business is like that..LOL..!!!

[bayrunner]

Music..if only business and life were that simple...all I can say is if you've ever jumped into a pan from the fire...business is like that..LOL..!!!


I jump in the pan every day.....sometimes it's worst than the fire...LOL


keep up the good work tach

[Jim Vaccaro]

I am interested in one of these intake's

[Jim Vaccaro]

That was fast,,,Just ordered one....:)

[Lonestar 7]

I mailed Orange blast and he is out of intake cores and looking for more.

[Orange Blast]

I mailed Orange blast and he is out of intake cores and looking for more.

Hey Lone Star. I have just recently aquired more. In fact they should be here anytime. I will have 3 unspoken for if your interested?

E mail me for more details at SSSSVT@aol.com

There may have been others that inquired about them as well.
I've had a hard time keeping up with all who have shown interest.
If I've left anybody out, contact me asap.

[Lonestar 7]

Thanks Orange Blast!

[F/S MACH 1]

any dyno data yet ???? if not send me one i will get it for you guys !!!!!

see ya JEFF

[Jim Vaccaro]

any dyno data yet ???? if not send me one i will get it for you guys !!!!!

see ya JEFF

I just got tracking # and mine is on the way..

I am getting mine tomorrow,,I'll post back.. :bcl:

[Mvcrash]

FYI, Fuel Atomization takes place IN the Carburator or in the port fuel injection system, atomized fuel is sprayed at the back of the intake valves. Atomization does not happen in the intake runners.

[Lonestar 7]

Well the smooth surface increases air flow so porting would aid in cfm.

[Orange Blast]

FYI, Fuel Atomization takes place IN the Carburator or in the port fuel injection system, atomized fuel is sprayed at the back of the intake valves. Atomization does not happen in the intake runners.


Correct. Although the finish,shape and lack of obstructions with in the runners determines the velocity at which the air flow moves. The "swirling effect" created by that incoming charge helps that fuel atomize at the junction of air meets fuel. "Mirror finishes" do not always acheive the same results. Almost all head porting is done in a simular manner. Satin finish on the intake side and mirror on the exhaust side for the same reasoning.

[Jim Vaccaro]

I got the intake today,,took it to Mustang Magic and the guys there were impressed.It is really done well..Nice Piece..I'll ask my friend Pete to take some pic's..I have appt for wednesday to have it installed.Joe the owner thinks it should really help my setup..We have a dyno day comming up also.I'll post here the results...

[Lonestar 7]

Can't wait to here the numbers Jim!

[Adam]

Hey I want to get one of these intakes. Shoot me an email orangeblast and we can talk. Thanks,
Adam

[Orange Blast]

Hey I want to get one of these intakes. Shoot me an email orangeblast and we can talk. Thanks,
Adam

PM Sent........

[Mach1Marauder]

Latest dyno figures for my 100% stock long block with OB's manifold:
317.5HP/335.5TQ SAE...........STD were 324.5HP/341.2TQ
I did have a run of 317/348! This was the first FULL run after swapping the guts of my stock MAF into the Lightning MAF housing after having to add 30% to my MAF transfer. The clutch was cold and when it hit my torque peak, it just couldn't hold it! LOL!
I bet Louise would scream with an auto and a stout stall!

[Adam]

I sent the money via paypal. Let me know if you got it.
Thanks,
Adam

[Orange Blast]

I sent the money via paypal. Let me know if you got it.
Thanks,
Adam
Check your e-mail.....I got it twice for double the amount?

[Adam]

???I dunno how that happened but it sure did send twice. That is an error. Would you refund the second amount thanks,
Adam

[Orange Blast]

Your all set Adam!

GREAT numbers Bill!

I'm excited to hear what Jimmy V. comes up with!

[Orange Blast]

Hey guy's. I will have a ported and polished intake ready to ship Monday if anyone is interested.$400 shipped to your door. e mail me SSSSVT@aol.com for more info and pics

[DTMach1]

Hey guy's. I will have a ported and polished intake ready to ship Monday if anyone is interested.$400 shipped to your door. e mail me SSSSVT@aol.com for more info and pics

have ya started welding the pieces together or are ya still epoxying them?

[Orange Blast]

I epoxy them. But can leave them seperated per request should someone choose to have them welded later. I have done it several times this way.........

[Orange Blast]

Hey guy's. I will have a ported and polished intake ready to ship Monday if anyone is interested.$400 shipped to your door. e mail me SSSSVT@aol.com for more info and pics

And for those who are unaware of the epoxys strength. It requires grinding or using a oxy/ace torch to remove the stuff!

[machths]

I'm very intersted in one. Are you doing upper and lower intake?

[Delos04Mach]

Sent you an e-mail for more info!!

[Orange Blast]

I'm very intersted in one. Are you doing upper and lower intake?


I have done both before. The problem is MACH-1 uppers are nearly impossible to find other than through Ford. So I can only offer the lower's as of this time. Unless you wish to send yours to me and wait while I complete the work. Several have done this. And here is a attached pic of that work.
The upper is pictured along side of the lower with its belly cut off.......

[machths]

I have done both before. The problem is MACH-1 uppers are nearly impossible to find other than through Ford. So I can only offer the lower's as of this time. Unless you wish to send yours to me and wait while I complete the work. Several have done this. And here is a attached pic of that work.
The upper is pictured along side of the lower with its belly cut off.......
What would be the total cost and total turn around time for both?

[Orange Blast]

What would be the total cost and total turn around time for both?


If you were to send me both the upper and lower to work up. It would be 10-12 days turn around depending on where you live. (West coast 2 days longer)

$300 for both and that's shipped to your door.

April is booked up and it looks like the end of May is my next open time slot.

E mail me at SSSSVT@aol.com for more details if interested....

[Orange Blast]

Just wanted to update everyone with my intake's I do.
I now have all the intakes welded by a Journeyman welder. The price is now $650 shipped with no core exchange. Here are some pics.......

[machths]

What if we prefer epoxy? Can you still do it for $300?

[Orange Blast]

What if we prefer epoxy? Can you still do it for $300?



If you provide the core I will.

[deancass2000]

If you provide the core I will.

What's the horsepower gain with this????

[Orange Blast]

What's the horsepower gain with this????


I have seen several dyno numbers from customers with 22 to 28 HP at the wheels.

[machths]

I have seen several dyno numbers from customers with 22 to 28 HP at the wheels.
That's pretty impressive! What about torque?

[Orange Blast]

That's pretty impressive! What about torque?

Torque is about 10 to 18

[C.W.]

so...whats the news, any info on gains...tach hows the test? jim v, what news?

c-dub

[deancass2000]

so...whats the news, any info on gains...tach hows the test? jim v, what news?

c-dub

I'd like to pipe in here with a few comments on the polished intake manifold from Mr. Orange Blast.....
First of all, the guy gets free advertising basically to run a part time business he has doing these things so he is out no cost on advertising for the service he provides....so he really should appreciate whoever is running the website for allowing this. Second of all his customer service stinks! I contacted him about getting mine polished and he quoted me a date to have it to him. I then contacted him a couple of weeks prior to the date just to verify that the date was still good. Upon my surprise, he said well no I'm booked now so it will have to be next month and oh, by the way I want you to pay cash up front.....WTF???!!!!! I contacted him via email and said no, you have a chance to take my manifold during the time period you gave me and that would be it or I could let other people know about the type of service your offering. He then sent me back an email basically cussing me telling me how I pissed him off etc......good job Orange Blast, I've never had anyone I was buying something from tell me I was pissing them off. You sir can keep your polished intake manifold and the crappy service you give with it!!!!!!!!! My .02 worth!!!!!!!!!!

By the way, if it anyone doubts that he said this to me...I have all of his emails he sent to me if you would like to read them............

Dean

[Lonestar 7]

I have my manifold with him and he has been totally cool with me. I have paid him in payments and soon my mainfold and throttle body will be back with me. He is very busy cause his work is good. If he wants money for work who doesn't want to be paind for there work. He was very kind to take payments from me so you must have been demanding something he could not deliver. You can always buy your work from Paul's Performance or Sean Hyland and pay the big bucks. So why the flames?

[deancass2000]

I have my manifold with him and he has been totally cool with me. I have paid him in payments and soon my mainfold and throttle body will be back with me. He is very busy cause his work is good. If he wants money for work who doesn't want to be paind for there work. He was very kind to take payments from me so you must have been demanding something he could not deliver. You can always buy your work from Paul's Performance or Sean Hyland and pay the big bucks. So why the flames?

Lonestar, don't make assumptions based on no knowledge. He quoted me a date to have my intake to him then renigged on the date. And I never said anything about not paying him for his work. Did you even read what I wrote???? He didn't say anything about payment up front he just said send me the intake. I figured once he got it done then he would want payment. Instead, he wanted payment up front before I even sent him the intake. And demanding???? Where do you come up with your comments??? All I asked for was to have my intake done....plain and simple.....Why the flames???? You didn't see the emails I got from the guy.........but I did. Total ass hole....

[1WICKEDmach]

That sucks that you had a bad experiance with orange blast. Ive been tinkering with the idea of getting mine ported also, but i dont think i will be getting it done by orange blast. Ive seen the manifold that aaron had and without some flow numbers im very hesitant at getting mine ported. Ive been thinking about just sending mine out to have extrude honed. It might cost a few $$ more but i can be sure it will flow evenly.

[Orange Blast]

[QUOTE=1WICKEDmach]That sucks that you had a bad experiance with orange blast.


For those interested in the type of business I conduct, you may want to read this.

First off. I receive at least a dozen e mails per day about my intake's.
This is not a business I run. It is a hobby of mine that has exploded beyond my expectations! I only ran one ad in the classifieds last August of 2004 for my very first intake. In the many months that have passed and the intakes I have done since. I have improved upon my work and design tremendously.
In the beginning it would take me 60 hours to complete one. The core cost me roughly around $125. Shipping another $25. My net profit was only $245.00 for 60 hours of labor and not counting the materials.

For those such as "TACH 9" that received one of these intakes at the price. I believe that to be a steal. Ebay has sold just the blank cores for as high as $300 alone over and over.

Well, I have taken the port work to the max now on the intakes that I currently work up. There is a fine line between to much, as you can break through the side walls very easily and I have done that! The tools and materials I use also have been improved upon.This saves time and raises the quality level.

When I finish with one intake. I will have removed 2 dust pan loads of aluminum chips. This is the extent of the work I do. Try removing that with a Dremel?

I also have the bottoms professionly welded when completed now.

Each intake I do I always make sure its at least as good as the last if not better.

I ask for the money up front because so many back out when the time comes to complete the transaction. This creates huge problems when going back through the list of people who have contacted me. Many at that point believe I'm conducting "shady business". So this is how I've came to the pay up front issue.

My work load takes up every hour of my day when away from my 40 hour weekly job. I give up many things in my life to accomplish my dead lines!
My wife has remained steady through this period that I have promised would slow.

I also have spent no time with my Mach because of this. I have a boat load of mods I want to do but simply cannot afford the time.

So for the gentleman who now has issues with me. I'd like to say this;

NO one likes to be threatened! And yes my response to that threat comes back 10 fold!

I accepted the blame for not fully explaining myself throughly and even offered this guy to squeeze him in to a already tight schedule. No response.........
I also have his e mails for those interested?

To make a long story short. Should I ever consider a business, one thing I have learned is that the product would be easy to do. Its the public that is the hardest to deal with! "You can never be nice enough".
And believe me. I have done my best to answer everyone in the tone of language they have spoken to me.....................

Truly,
Jimmy D.

[deancass2000]

What a crock all of this is. You expect us to put up with the fact tha you can't handle the volume of what you're selling??? Poor Jimmy, he wants the general public do be sympathetic to him for not being able to fill his orders???? Gimme a break!!!! If I went to a restaurant and they couldn't seat me anywhere to eat, I would leave! Or if I called Summit Racing to order something and they said "well, we really don't have enough people to make that part but pay us now and we'll get back to you later" I wouldn't order. You are a joke with this whole thing. Big deal you haven't had time to work on your Mach, maybe you should quit trying to sell a product you can't even manufacture....you amatuer. And for those of you curious about his alleged "threat" I made....it was me telling him that I would tell all of the org members about this if he didn't make the deal right with me.......so yeah, that is really some threat. Sounds like an honorable thing to do in my opinion on my part. I could turn you into the IRS or the Better Business Bureau for operating with out a license and not filing taxes, you moron. Dean

[DTMach1]

mmmm this is getting good :munch:

However, you two have some issues, which are fine to work out, but please try and keep it professional, no need to have a thread closed due to personal attacks

[deancass2000]

mmmm this is getting good :munch:

However, you two have some issues, which are fine to work out, but please try and keep it professional, no need to have a thread closed due to personal attacks

I agree. I'm done with this. People will read this and I think they will know how he operates now.............

[DTMach1]

I agree. I'm done with this. People will read this and I think they will know how he operates now.............

Good, since I believe that was your point in the first place.

[Orange Blast]

Lonestar, don't make assumptions based on no knowledge................Total ass hole....you moron. Dean



..............And my point exactly. :eg:

[Berzerk]

..............And my point exactly. :eg:
You chopped together multiple posts to make him look bad. Glad you took the high road by trying to invoke an argument from someone who doesn't want to argue anymore. :rolleyes:

[Mach1Chris]

I agree. I'm done with this. People will read this and I think they will know how he operates now.............
All I just read was verbal diarrhea, you basically sound like a complete tool. I purchased and upper and lower ported intake from orange blast, and couldn't have had a better experience. The work was top notch, and he even busted his ass to ship it out to me so I could have it installed on my only weekend off for the month. IMO, that's customer service. If you dont like the way of business, go buy it somewhere else and quit your bitching.

If I had some plug emailing me being a complete dickhead beacuse he's too retarded to read something properly, I'd email him back and give him exactly what he sent out. It sounds like that's what happened here.

So, in conclusion, please delete your account, sell your mach, and kill yourself. Thank you.

[Berzerk]

All I just read was verbal diarrhea, you basically sound like a complete tool. I purchased and upper and lower ported intake from orange blast, and couldn't have had a better experience. The work was top notch, and he even busted his ass to ship it out to me so I could have it installed on my only weekend off for the month. IMO, that's customer service. If you dont like the way of business, go buy it somewhere else and quit your bitching.

If I had some plug emailing me being a complete dickhead beacuse he's too retarded to read something properly, I'd email him back and give him exactly what he sent out. It sounds like that's what happened here.

So, in conclusion, please delete your account, sell your mach, and kill yourself. Thank you.
:feed:
What the HELL is your problem??? You are completely out of line here. I'd seriously consider revising your post before you piss someone off.

[deancass2000]

All I just read was verbal diarrhea, you basically sound like a complete tool. I purchased and upper and lower ported intake from orange blast, and couldn't have had a better experience. The work was top notch, and he even busted his ass to ship it out to me so I could have it installed on my only weekend off for the month. IMO, that's customer service. If you dont like the way of business, go buy it somewhere else and quit your bitching.

If I had some plug emailing me being a complete dickhead beacuse he's too retarded to read something properly, I'd email him back and give him exactly what he sent out. It sounds like that's what happened here.

So, in conclusion, please delete your account, sell your mach, and kill yourself. Thank you.

And if I can't complain in the very forum he chooses to sell them then what the hell is he doing selling them here???? You chose to read what I wrote and then to be even more of an idiot than him by replying the way you did. I am amzed at the level of IQ people like you display on these types of threads....I'd guess around the 85 range...........and it goes with any business that you can screw up someone's order and have a chance to make it right, he simply chose not to.......and by the way, you might want to watch who you're telling what to do....I don't take kindly to strangers telling me what to do :thumbs:

[Lonestar 7]

Time for a chill pill dude!